v for frequency?...

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:46:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:58:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 17:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 15:28:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 15:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:56:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 14:45, John Larkin wrote:
The USA is more than Kraft now.

Only took them 500 years.

\"Them\" ?
Merkins


What a nasty person you are. Is that standard in the UK?

The USA defines a rectangle 4000 x 5000 miles. It\'s land area is 4
million square miles with 50 states, 330 million people, a zillion
cultures and climates and cuisines, glaciers to high desert, and 20K
miles of coastline.

And you obviously stereotype it. That\'s sure easy.

Please stay where you are and we\'ll all be happy.

I was merely pointing out than in all of the above, there is a total
dearth of cheese varieties

We just went for a walk in the canyon and popped into the Canyon
Market, a little store in the village. I took a few pictures.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gk4zm4qwhyq7m13/AAAmbZdb7i9byH10ZlgYauXDa?dl=0

They also bake great bread and sell fresh sourdough pizza dough. We
make a pizza from half and make fried bread with the rest.

There\'s a little corner store in Bernal Heights, The Good Life
Grocery.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5czoflpoyp2ngwx/AABkwBNedO7YfT60twXSGfjha?dl=0

They also have bbq ribs and fabulous bagel dogs. Boy food.

It\'s just a block from United Dumplings, which is worth any effort to
get to.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:05:55 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On 30 May 2023 22:35:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed
with annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white
and yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Annatto is a spice, with its own flavor. Maybe some people like it.

Even the French make flavored and orange-colored cheeses. Bourisin.
Pave du Nord.

The cheese-eating surrender monkeys should know.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 31/05/2023 22:25, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 30.05.23 um 20:46 schrieb Rod Speed:


I suspect that different people may see colors very differently.

You\'d be wrong.

In the 1790s, a guy named John Dalton discovered that his (and his
brothers) perception of colors was different from other peoples perception.

Look. Its Rod Speed. Everything he says is wrong.

\'Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes:
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases.\'

CHORUS.

(In which the cook and the baby joined):—

\'Wow! wow! wow!\'

While the Duchess sang the second verse of the song, she kept tossing
the baby violently up and down, and the poor little thing howled so,
that Alice could hardly hear the words:—

\'I speak severely to my boy,
I beat him when he sneezes;
For he can thoroughly enjoy
The pepper when he pleases!\'


CHORUS.

\'Wow! wow! wow!\'

I imagine that is pretty much Rod Speeds childhood.

He realized that when observing the flowers of geranium zonale
in daylight and in candle light. it appeared blue to him in sunlight but
red with the candle. That did not happen with other people.

I had some laser treatment in one eye. The central zone now has no
colour vision whatsoever.

Memoirs of the Manchester Literary And Philosophical Society.
Book 5, pages 28++  1798

Color blindness was called \"Le Daltonisme\" in France.

Gerhard

(taken from secondary literature)

But in addition to that, we have no way of knowing how colours appear to
someone else. Baby points, mother says \'red ball\' and baby learns that
what *he* experiences is what *other* people call \'red\'.

We could fit someone with virtual reality glasses and transpose all the
colours, and after a while they would still agree on what was \'red\'...

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[Peeler]

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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[Peeler]

On 1 Jun 2023 03:17:42 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> The cheese-eating surrender monkeys should know.

Beautiful (and so original and cool, too) phrasing again, you ridiculous
bigmouthed armchair warrior! LOL

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had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.\"
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[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 17:08:06 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 22:25, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 30.05.23 um 20:46 schrieb Rod Speed:


I suspect that different people may see colors very differently.

You\'d be wrong.
In the 1790s, a guy named John Dalton discovered that his (and his
brothers) perception of colors was different from other peoples
perception.

<reams of TurnipShit flushed where it belongs>

He realized that when observing the flowers of geranium zonale
in daylight and in candle light. it appeared blue to him in sunlight
but red with the candle. That did not happen with other people.

I had some laser treatment in one eye. The central zone now has no
colour vision whatsoever.

Memoirs of the Manchester Literary And Philosophical Society.
Book 5, pages 28++ 1798
Color blindness was called \"Le Daltonisme\" in France.
Gerhard
(taken from secondary literature)

But in addition to that, we have no way of knowing how colours appear to
someone else.

Corse we do. We can test whether they can distinguish one color from
another.

Baby points, mother says \'red ball\' and baby learns that what *he*
experiences is what *other* people call \'red\'.

Separate matter entirely.

We could fit someone with virtual reality glasses and transpose all the
colours, and after a while they would still agree on what was \'red\'...

 

[Martin Brown]

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

--
Martin Brown

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:14:53 +0100, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

Lots of things are made from fermented milk. Nobody was conned; pople
could have bought Cadbury but it\'s even worse.

We have all sorts of great chocolate available now, as we have lots of
cheeses. My parents grew up poor in the South and wouldn\'t have been
able to afford Lundt if it had been available. Times have changed.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Do you drink raw milk? We can get skim, lowfat, regular \"whole\",
lactose free, extra rich, and a couple of fakes, like almond and soy.
The standard \"whole\" (ultra-pasteurized, homogenized, 3.25% butterfat)
milk tastes fine to me and Mo likes it in her tea. It\'s safe and keeps
fresh.

We keep half-and-half for coffee and some baking, and heavy cream for
whipping and sauces. The squeeze-valve things of sour cream are great
too.

Thanks, all you cows.

Contempt seems to be your food of choice. Enjoy.

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-06-01, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

I\'ve been eating Hershey chocolate all my life, and I like the
sour-milk flavor. Other milk chocolate tastes flat and boring.
Even decent European brands.

It\'s no different from buttermilk, yogurt, or cultured butter. I
don\'t like cultured butter because it tastes rancid, since I have
always purchased sweet butter.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

It tastes like milk to me. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs, not
on a farm.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 20:00:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 14:16:54 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-06-01, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

I\'ve been eating Hershey chocolate all my life, and I like the
sour-milk flavor. Other milk chocolate tastes flat and boring.
Even decent European brands.

The Hershey almond bars are different somehow. Darker, less gritty,
not as sour I think.

It\'s no different from buttermilk, yogurt, or cultured butter. I
don\'t like cultured butter because it tastes rancid, since I have
always purchased sweet butter.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

It tastes like milk to me. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs, not
on a farm.

Engineering supplies:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/0xpxut2aqost9axpw3ki1/Eng_Supplies.jpg?raw=1

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/06/2023 14:14, Martin Brown wrote:

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google    childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Most milk is only pasteurised.

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/06/2023 14:58, John Larkin wrote:

Lots of things are made from fermented milk. Nobody was conned; pople
could have bought Cadbury but it\'s even worse.

Since it was bought by a US company it is now completely inedible.
It\'s just colored sugar. There is no taste of cocoa whatsoever

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/06/2023 15:16, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-06-01, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!

I\'ve been eating Hershey chocolate all my life, and I like the
sour-milk flavor. Other milk chocolate tastes flat and boring.
Even decent European brands.

It\'s no different from buttermilk, yogurt, or cultured butter. I
don\'t like cultured butter because it tastes rancid, since I have
always purchased sweet butter.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

It tastes like milk to me. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs, not
on a farm.

Years ago I drank fresh goats milk, from a pair of goats down te road.
it tasted disgusting, like newspapers. Later on I saw the goats, and
that, mainly was what they were eating. Newsprint.

Supposed to be bedding, but goats are goats

Milk is a relatively vile drink anyway. .
--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 01/06/2023 17:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/06/2023 14:14, Martin Brown wrote:
On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google    childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured
chocolate that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply
was always a bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very
cunning marketing!

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Most milk is only pasteurised.

Not in the US it isn\'t. They destroy milk beyond all recognition. The
only thing about natural milk that remains is its whiteness.

Most UK supermarket milk has been pasteurised and often homogenised to
obtain the various milk fat contents that people prefer these days and
also to stabilise it so that the emulsion doesn\'t settle to milk and
cream like the old milk bottles of real pasteurised milk used to do.
Basically the supermarkets prefer a longer shelf life over taste...

https://www.mcqueensdairies.co.uk/pasteurised-milk/

A local farm sells proper pasteurised milk at the farm gate along with
their clotted cream which has won awards. They started out off farm
sales with a shed with a fridge and an honesty box at the end of their
drive during lockdown when all their commercial outlets were closed.

It has since become something of a destination with a clever machine
that refills 1L bottles with any of their milk or various milk shakes.
There are big queues there at the weekend!

It is more expensive and doesn\'t keep as well as supermarket milk but it
tastes a heck of a lot better, same is true with unpasteurised cheeses.

--
Martin Brown

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 1. juni 2023 kl. 18.42.37 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:

On 01/06/2023 17:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/06/2023 14:14, Martin Brown wrote:
On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured
chocolate that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply
was always a bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very
cunning marketing!

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Most milk is only pasteurised.
Not in the US it isn\'t. They destroy milk beyond all recognition. The
only thing about natural milk that remains is its whiteness.

UHT? that is vile

low temp pasteurised is fine, I find no difference between homogenised or not except no lumps

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:14:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 01/06/2023 14:58, John Larkin wrote:
Lots of things are made from fermented milk. Nobody was conned; pople
could have bought Cadbury but it\'s even worse.

Since it was bought by a US company it is now completely inedible.
It\'s just colored sugar. There is no taste of cocoa whatsoever

We like Chocolove, among others.

Reese\'s peanut butter cups used to be OK but they have a dark version
now that\'s very good. It\'s a Hershey brand.

Justin\'s dark pb cups are very good too.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:42:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/06/2023 17:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/06/2023 14:14, Martin Brown wrote:
On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google    childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured
chocolate that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply
was always a bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very
cunning marketing!

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Most milk is only pasteurised.

Not in the US it isn\'t. They destroy milk beyond all recognition. The
only thing about natural milk that remains is its whiteness.

Most UK supermarket milk has been pasteurised and often homogenised to
obtain the various milk fat contents that people prefer these days and
also to stabilise it so that the emulsion doesn\'t settle to milk and
cream like the old milk bottles of real pasteurised milk used to do.
Basically the supermarkets prefer a longer shelf life over taste...

https://www.mcqueensdairies.co.uk/pasteurised-milk/

We can get non-homogenized milk here, in a glass bottle with the cream
floating on top.

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <u5ag57$2r3as$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes

On 01/06/2023 14:58, John Larkin wrote:
Lots of things are made from fermented milk. Nobody was conned; pople
could have bought Cadbury but it\'s even worse.

Since it was bought by a US company it is now completely inedible.
It\'s just colored sugar. There is no taste of cocoa whatsoever

Reported, a couple of days ago, as now being far too crumbly.
<https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/26/cadbury-flake-now-too-c
rumbly-for-99-cones-say-ice-cream-sellers>
[Sorry - Tiny URL now no good with XP]
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2023-06-01 09:58, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:14:53 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

Making it into Hershey bars - the world\'s only vomit flavoured chocolate
that somehow they conned Americans into buying. Milk supply was always a
bit rancid so they made a feature out of it - very cunning marketing!


Lots of things are made from fermented milk. Nobody was conned; pople
could have bought Cadbury but it\'s even worse.

We have all sorts of great chocolate available now, as we have lots of
cheeses. My parents grew up poor in the South and wouldn\'t have been
able to afford Lundt if it had been available. Times have changed.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste like milk either after it has been sterilised and then
homogenised to something more resembling an inert white paint.

Do you drink raw milk? We can get skim, lowfat, regular \"whole\",
lactose free, extra rich, and a couple of fakes, like almond and soy.
The standard \"whole\" (ultra-pasteurized, homogenized, 3.25% butterfat)
milk tastes fine to me and Mo likes it in her tea. It\'s safe and keeps
fresh.

We keep half-and-half for coffee and some baking, and heavy cream for
whipping and sauces. The squeeze-valve things of sour cream are great
too.

Thanks, all you cows.

Contempt seems to be your food of choice. Enjoy.

French milk is horrible--all UHT. It tastes like diluted Carnation
Evaporated. It\'s the same in Holland and Belgium,

Is British supermarket milk any different? (AFAICT it\'s an EU mandate,
so probably in force even post-Brexit.)

You can get low-temperature pasteurized, non-homogenized milk here too.
It\'s called \'Standard Milk\".

Not found in supermarkets any more, though.

One thing that\'s been noticeable here in the last couple of years is
that milk keeps a lot better in the frig, even after it\'s been opened.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
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Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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